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he's intent on chaos and destruction -- and if that means self-destruction, so be it. It's impossible to leverage him because he isn’t looking for anything but living in the moment and living in that anarchy. He's completely uncompromising, as is Batman, but Batman does have this one rule: that he will not kill. But he's in conflict often with himself about how far and how violent he can be because does embrace violence to a degree and he has to embrace that with the altruism to do good in the inherited philanthropy of his parents. But the Joker comes closer than anybody has to provoking Batman to break that one rule."

That rule -- that Batman won't kill anyone -- is something that fascinates Bale. "What is the quickest way to get rid of the Joker and make sure that no one else dies? Well that is to kill him, but that goes against [his rule]," Bale says. "But there's an ethical question: wouldn’t he be saving others if he broke his own rule, and at what point do the principles become selfish?"

Bruce Wayne's motives for being Batman are also worth exploring. "There is an argument for impure motives," he says. "There is Bruce Wayne's altruism, but there is also an argument for this being a selfish endeavor, curing himself of his own pain and anger through the character of Batman."

The answer to that could be that Bruce doesn't want to stay Batman forever: his stated goal is to clean up Gotham's crime to a reasonable degree and then give up the suit. To help hurry the process, Bruce begins to support Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart), a crusading district attorney who's not afraid to fight crime out in the open.

"He wishes for Batman to become obsolete," Bale says of Bruce, "and the beacon of hope for that is Harvey Dent. If a public official can stamp down on corruption and crime then Batman is not necessary and he can return to his life as Bruce Wayne. [The problem is, that life] has basically become a void: he's a lonely man. The more he commits to Batman the more he pays the price in his personal life."

And in that vein, when push comes to shove, perhaps giving up the mask might not be so easy. "While I think it's an ideal for Bruce to leave this Batman character behind, I think it's become an addiction," Bale says.

None of this would've worked had the Joker been a letdown. But as played by Ledger, the character has become the center of much of the buzz surrounding the film, inspiring many critics to predict Ledger will win the first posthumous Oscar since Peter Finch won for Network in 1977.

"We wanted to stay serious and dramatic with each of the portrayals of every single character, and Heath was wonderful with that," Bale says. "He completely immersed himself and he ...

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